Problem #2: You absolutely should get a degree I recommend it. [–]zac503 45 points46 points47 points 1 year ago (20 children). Both CS and IS degrees are a baseline in technology, but CS skews toward programming/development while IS skews toward administration/business aspects. [–]CaptPrichard 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (2 children), [–]OverlordWafflesHelp Desk...I think? [–]mikejr96Systems Engineer 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children). A: Well, the degree itself is actually quite nice, from what I can tell. So students often struggle to understand what a Computer Information Systems degree means for them. The great news for CIS hopefuls is that there is no shortage of jobs in this technological field. So I accepted a Technical Support Engineer role that pays $94k. Is a B.S in Information Systems a good idea? You have a Bachelor's in Information Systems but you can't get out of help desk? They're literally looking for a trade school who gives them a bachelors degree at the end of 4-years. Dude, you are so full of shit. Get a few internship and develop your skills outside of school like a project or learning something and by the time you graduate you will have a job! While I was a CS major, I just coded in c, Java, etc every day. Mechanics don't think they're at the same level as engineers when it comes to nature of job, education, pay grade, respect, and prestige. System Administration, Networking & Help Desk, For Computer Science Career Questions: /r/cscareerquestions. Education? [–]mikejr96Systems Engineer 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children). [–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (0 children). [–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 1 year ago (14 children). Fuck boot camps and such. I'm a "how it works" kind of person and so I love CS from that perspective. It's probably the best degree that you can get to break into the business side of computers. If the idea of managing servers or deploying a new application or firewall makes you excited, if you want to work Helldesk as your first job just because you get the amazing opportunity to test your knowledge and learn, if you have a home lab that you actively maintain and you are constantly looking to soak up new IT information like a sponge, if you're willing to get mistreated by the other departments at work and still put in 110% even if you don't always receive recognition, that's what will eventually make an outstanding IT professional. That was a dumb question. I meant the type of degree you have. 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago (3 children). No it's not "everything". All this talk about "being broad and learning soft skills & business intelligence" and they still treat their required business course like a nuisance. Let me rephrase that: By having more interest in computers & technology, would focusing on Information Systems be better than Accounting? While each university's program is different, mine didn't include much hands-on work with setting up servers, virtualization, issues that arise when implementing enterprise application software, what you need to consider when implementing single sign on, and similar issues. [–]Iintendtooffend 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children). I just graduated with a CS degree and it seems to be a liability as I'm trying to get into IT. [–]benaffleks 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (3 children). Apply to Information Systems Technician, Faculty, Customer Service Representative and more! That's three times the national average of all occupations, which currently stands at 7 percent for that same time frame. I think it's going to be fine. Continuing Education. Of course depends on the company and such, however the usual process is like so:-> Degree gets you past HR -> Certificates get you the interview -> Experience gets you the job I have never met a CS or IS grad who knew anything in-depth, let alone networking or systems administration. Furthermore, the BLS projects that certain positions in the field — including computer and information systems managers — will grow by as much as 11% between 2018 and 2028. The world of computers and computing is growing fast and is constantly changing. But I’m living with my parents rent free and have no debt to my name so although it’s poor mans money here, for me it’s a shit ton. It will make very little difference to an employer which one you have if you are proficient in all of the areas both cover anyway. Well I’m in the Bay Area. Silicon Valley isn't famous for their IT folks. What I found my CIS degree did NOT do was prepare me for a systems administration or network administration job. [–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago (1 child). PSA: Interviews are not exams. They care a lot less about what the degree is and more about your experience. we had our fair share of programming courses. Correct. Oh ofc you can move into sys admin with couple years of helpdesk. That being said, I think you're underestimating the amount of technology taught in IS programs nowadays and ignoring the fact that there are a shit-ton of high paying jobs in that role that don't end with engineer. [–]HarpierCries 36 points37 points38 points 1 year ago (10 children). You need to look at the courses/electives (and their descriptions) in order to get a feel for what the program curriculum is like. For a developer in any tech area, 100+ is par. Get one or two certification also! [–]djgizmo 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children). At least in my school we did. If you're going into technology, plan on being a lifelong learner and working hard to keep up, and if needed, you can always go back to school. Personally, no degree is "less" or "more" than another. Also, do you think a IS degree is anymore "less" than a CS degree? I recently graduated from a moderately well respected state university with a Bachelor's Computer Information Systems degree and am looking to get into something along the lines of software development. I have an IS bachelor's and while it isn't as good as CS in more technical roles, it leaves things pretty wide open. Finance? CS students who work in their schools IT Dept tend to do well, as do CS students who find a programming outlet. Except soft skills. I work alongside these people every day. WGU is one I used to great effect. Q: "Why is that a worthless degree?" Computer processes and infrastructure 2. [–]ApostateX 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children). I have worked with BS CS grads that were so bound by this is what is proper they couldn't see the solution looking back at them and rendered as it can't be done. Programming is a skill anyone can learn and practice in their off time. [–]jalopagosislandDecision Support Analyst 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children). CS is an infinitely more valuable degree and knowledge than information systems. As long as you can pass both ICND1 and 2 by the end of February, do it. That's really it. This sub-reddit is designed to help anyone in or interested in the IT field to ask career related questions. IMO while CS is running calc 2, IS is learning exactly how each systems works in unison. Fundamentally, I agree. Anyways AFAIK CS isn't like engineering where the specific degree is required. Just use this link to join us: ITCareerQuestions Discord. Whether or not an IS degree would be "as good" as a CS degree will depend on the company. gotcha. It's about developing the programming mindset, software architecture and development, compilers, indepth networking and OS, and working in teams to develop software that's more complex than anything you'll do in information systems. Just got absolutely wrecked on Microsoft MD-100 test....I felt like I was prepared but guess not...anyone have advice or experience on bouncing back from a bombed cert exam? I would also HIGHLY recommend getting a job at your university as a student. I've already had some internship experience developing mobile software and I've realized first-hand the burnout that comes with R&D and software development so I thought of perhaps going into a more passive role as a Systems Administration or similar roles as it requires less "creative" investment and more focuses on "maintaince" so to say, atleast from what I can see. Check out the start of our fancy new Wiki! However, the full caveat is that it it really depends on how the college markets and sets the plan of study for the degree. There are people who went IS/IT and got hired as developers right out of school, but I don't know the statistics behind this. The curriculum of the certificate of advanced graduate study in Information Systems Management introduces students to key information system technologies, IT strategy development, project management, and information technology management techniques that … Computer science is focused mainly on programming so if that's not what you want to do, a computer science major would be an extraordinary pain. 171,040 Computer Information Systems Degree jobs available on Indeed.com. [–]smelly_ape 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (1 child), [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children). Thereafter, you can build a 'portfolio' of successful work with current technologies which is critical to demonstrating your value to your current, or prospective future employers. Check the Bureau of Labor Statistics outstanding Occupational Outlook Handbook for outlooks on careers in IT. Created by /u/rykker. [–]benaffleks 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (1 child). And even if you don't go to a school that teaches along with the certs, try and do them on your own while you're in school. But I feel like the education I got from the non-mentioned university was far from helpful. So why is it such a phenomen in tech where some people try to equate CS & CIS degrees and believe software engineers and system administrator are on the same level? You will need to be at the top of your game with both knowledge and certifications. [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (8 children). BS in Business Information Systems, all of my courses were about the system development life cycle, database management, web design, user interfaces, project management etc. It simply comes down to best fit for your future goals. In reality, every software team I know of is made of up project managers, business analysts, most of which are business majors. I've found a CIS degree to be the best path toward becoming a technical project manager who also does general IT work as a member of a development, technical support or system analyst team. Just the basics. Hardware-machinery on which the finalized system performs its purpose Data– facts related to the subject being studied or analyzed Software– computer programs in which data is entered Procedures– actions carried out through the use of software to collect, store, analyze, and distribute data No need to be so aggressive. Secondly, a lot of jobs that aren't programming specific will just say requires MIS, CS, ETC. Everyone seems to expect me to want to do programming (at which I am utter trash - I got into this for the math, not the writing) and to not know what a multimeter is. A degree in information systemscovers things like: 1. My current role requires interacting with programmers every day, and it's nice to have a base knowledge of what they do. Well aware of this, as I passed my icnd1 24 hours before the announcement. Think a sub should be added to a group let the mods know! 415 People Used Network support engineer != tech support. Seriously, it’s good to have if you’re already started. At first, you are depending on your academic record, certifications, volunteer and personal projects to demonstrate your skills. [+]benaffleks comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points 1 year ago (13 children). Same here. I did and when I was done I had basically 3 years of experience, which has opened so many doors for me. Where do you live that 94 is considered a shitton? IS folks usually chase the superficial how-to-do stuff and fall for the super specific sounding degrees like "Network Engineering" and "Cybersecurity." I think it's fine. Generic programming experience is not as marketable as "5 years working in this obtuse language that runs your duct-taped ERP system" . The pinnacle of tech is to create something, not doing user support for something someone else created. How often are you looking for jobs online? [–]EmergencySundaeIT Manager 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (2 children). I recently graduated from a moderately well respected state university with a Bachelor's Computer Information Systems degree and am looking to get into something along the lines of software development. It is more business focused and generally (depending on the school) has even less programming content than an IS degree. Can you get by without it? 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