perfect cell vs ssj2 gohan

Gohan, fully healed and with both arms still stomps Super Perfect Cell imo, the gap is just too big imo. Cell had both his arms and couldn't overwhelm Gohan right away and the got obliterated. All of the rights and content belong to Funimation,Toei Animation, Fuji TV, Arkira Toriyama, and ABGroup. ©BIRD STUDIO/SHUEISHA, TOEI ANIMATION. He must win in a direct battle. No, Vegeta stated that his Ki wasn't as strong as when he faced Cell. Not to mention any further zenkais or failed destructions would make Cell unstoppable. I refuse to believe Half-power Gohan>Super Perfect Cell, especially when Cell was able to damage Gohan as much as he did when Gohan was at FP, and SSJ2 is supposed to be only a 2x multiplier itself. With DBZ power levels liking even multipliers for the most part, let's call it a 2x boost. But I'll disagree that he would defeat Cell in the prompt. Boy, Super must give you an aneurysm then. He was beating him easily. So we really need to know how much the boost was. Alrighty - we've made some assumptions and it's time to go to the conclusion they lead to. I DO NOT OWN DRAGONBALL. When Cell came back stronger, he also came back at 100% energy/stamina. I've watched this a ton, and Gohan's power was basically divided in two, since he could only use one arm, and he still managed to win (albeit with a BIT of help). PFM18 , Apr 24, 2019 So you've got a few different phases of Gohan worth talking about in this fight. Second is that Gohan had never actually killed an opponent and wasn't battle hardened. Since SSj2's accepted multiplier is 2x SSj, both SSj2 Goku and Majin Vegeta could potentially be far greater than SSj2 Kid Gohan's level with a SSj form equal to Perfect Cell. And good point on the Death Beam, it didn't focus Goku in the slightest when he tanked it in their fight. What we do know is that Gohan has a power level in his head that is his potential full power. Perfect Cell or Ultimate Gohan vs. Super Buu? 1 - Gohan thinks he knows how powerful he is and I'd say that's pretty reliable but does not account for the 'boost' since he doesn't seem to really have a lot of belief in his ability to unlocks it. I also am a firm believer of teen gohan=kid gohan minus the rage boost I have dabura and cell as equals or in the same tier. How much does Gohan's 'boost' actually give him? If they were almost equal a one-armed Cell should have been able to overpower a one-armed critically injured Gohan like nothing. This poll is now closed. Before, Cell stood no chance obviously. If Gohan was truly at half strength when doing the beam struggle, this would suggest in a fair fight he'd have no trouble. The attack Cell used was definitely not a particularly powerful one. Take a second to look at our. I believe Gohan was stronger than SPC. Teen Gohan SSJ2 Vs Perfect Cell. So we know Gohan at full health was holding back to protect the planet. There are 5 possible avenues for Gotenks strength: Equal to Super Saiyan 3: x400 Equal to Goten Plus Trunks Base Form: x2 (x800 in SS3) Equal to SS Goten Plus SS Trunks: x100 (x40,000 in SS3) Using Dragonball GT Guide on Gogeta, Fusion Dance is dozens of times stronger. There are no other senzu beans and Gohan has no fatigue or injuries. Ssj2 Gohan vs Ultra Perfect Cell Thread starter Thdyingbreed; Start date Mar 21, 2011; Thdyingbreed Well-Known Member. He had control of the struggle, but also had to amp himself several times to match Gohan. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Seen it tons of times and I feel like that was Goku's big goal in the hyperbolic time chamber - teach Gohan to actually use that since it was such a huge well of power. Gohan beat him when he was already injured. Gohan believes he's at half power. Again just my interpretation here but half health Gohan, from a ki perspective, is just a little bit below Super Perfect Cell. SSG Goku BoG_____62,972_____188,915,094,340, SSG Goku BoG+_____108,255_____324,764,150,943, SSG Goku BoG S+_____4,545,991_____13,637,971,698,113, SSG Goku BoG x24_____1,104,481_____3,313,443,396,226, SSG Goku BoG x96_____4,364,858_____13,094,575,471,698, SSG Goku BoG SPC_____62,893_____188,679,245,283, SSG Goku BoG SPC+_____108,176_____324,528,301,887, SSG Goku BoG SPC S+_____4,545,912_____13,637,735,849,057, SSG Goku BoG SPC x24_____1,104,403_____3,313,207,547,170, SSG Goku BoG SPC x96_____4,364,780_____13,094,339,622,642, SSB Goku ResF Low_____7,930,869,527_____23,792,608,579,565,700, SSB Goku ResF+ Low_____23,438,167,497_____70,314,502,491,990,000, SSB Goku ResF S+ Low_____41,332,060,453,008_____123,996,181,359,025,000,000, SSB Goku ResF x24 Low_____2,439,757,142,221_____7,319,271,426,664,300,000, SSB Goku ResF x96 Low_____38,103,979,285,333_____114,311,937,855,999,000,000, SSB Goku ResF SPC Low_____7,911,079,467_____23,733,238,400,379,700, SSB Goku ResF SPC+ Low_____23,404,137,495_____70,212,412,483,683,400, SSB Goku ResF SPC S+ Low_____41,330,630,908,588_____123,991,892,725,762,000,000, SSB Goku ResF SPC x24 Low_____2,439,409,833,472_____7,318,229,500,415,330,000, SSB Goku ResF SPC x96 Low_____38,102,606,700,684_____114,307,820,102,053,000,000. SSJ2 Gohan destroyed “normal” Perfect Cell, so in conclusion, Super Perfect Cell is significantly stronger. Otherwise, Gohan's first Kamehameha would've killed Cell. The Z-fighters have always been incredibly accurate about their gauges of energy levels. I just don't think he would have the fortitude to do that and with nothing else pushing him he never would. I think he wished to break Gohan's spirit by beating him while not at full strength, in my opinion cell was probably going >50 but <75 when Gohan put the last of his energy into a Kamehameha. SSJ2 Gohan is about 2–3 times stronger than SSJ Goku at the time. Doesn't mean they are in the same league. Dangit - now I have to look stuff up to figure out this next part. Ah, I never considered that angle before. Time Stamps below to skip in game fights. I could probably KO prime Mike Tyson if he was jumping on someone to protect them while I punched him. What are your thoughts on this fight? And I'm not 100% sure Cell would have put up a fight if half of Gohan's power wasn't missing along with his arm. Gohan Super Saiyan 2 VS Cell. Cell was very confident in his victory, but so was Gohan prior to the fight. Although I think the zenkai you mentioned is what pushed Cell to the SS2 limit, not that he attained SS2 and then managed to get an additional zenkai. We never saw Gohan's full power at this time so we don't have a good gauge but this does tell us a couple things. ... DJF – Battle Wounded Son Goku vs Freeza $ 399.00 $ 285.00. Goku was able to bring out more power out of Gohan because he was holding back, either because he was trying to protect the planet or because he was not enraged. The fact that Gohan was 50% and managed to hold his own and eventually overpower Cell with his full power makes me think a fully powered Gohan would have beaten Cell comfortably. I also believe that while the attack meant to kill Vegeta LOOKED casual, it was a very devastating blow. The beam struggle ends up being the best way to win. Gohan was losing the beam struggle tho, and Cell was still holding back his own power. Goku later convinced him that he wasn't really down to 50% and only thought he was, which made SSJ2 Gohan put his full power (what he was using when he was beating … If he had been fighting with that level of strength from the beginning and wasn't held back at all, I think it was very possible that Gohan could have won a true fight. Freeza's Death Beam is a good comparison but that in and of itself is a pretty low tier attack used purely for executions and is utter garbage against an opponent in a remotely similar league(see Goku easily deflecting a barrage of them). You must log in or register to reply here. Only 2 left in stock. However, in regards to who would win in a straight fight, I believe SPC would actually end up winning. Putting into sheer power alone, Gohan would have to be significantly stronger in order to make it an easy fight, but given how close the battle was when he was injured, the gap is certainly far closer than we think. If Gohan was stronger, it's not by much. If … It's very distinctive that Cell's aura changed to a similar one to SS2 in his Super Perfect Form. 'Super' Perfect Cell is not 2 and a half times weaker than Gohan. If Gohan was only ASSUMING he was at half strength and simply had to bring out his true power, this makes him more even with Cell. 68.66% (46 votes) 46. Full Power Perfect Cell - 12. It came down to the kamehameha struggle as a last effort. His lack of experience, his personality, and the fact that Cell has many ways to survive give him a distinct advantage. Let's also consider that Gohan has this untapped amount of power that he's always never been able to use at will. The scouter read Gohan with a 710 power level. Remember, Cell has Saiyan DNA which allows him to go SSJ. So in a fight it might tip in his favor given all the possibilities of victory. This makes the most sense to me, since something like this would explain how a Full Power Perfect Cell(12) would get wrecked by SS2 Gohan(20). I'm going to go against the grain and say...I really don't think so. Gohan was injured prior to their match-up after trying to save Vegeta. Full health Gohan, injured half health Gohan, and injured half health Gohan + "boost"...that's just what I've always called it in any of the cases where Goku or some other action forces Gohan to go above his own perceived power. “Normal” Perfect Cell fought to a near standstill with SSJ Goku, with a bit of an upper hand. I think Goku actually thought that he had taught Gohan to unleash it and that was why he was so eager to just let Gohan take care of it. Gohan became much weaker as stated officially in the manga. If you have any questions, let me know. ss2 teen gohan is a good deal stronger than ss2 adult gohan of the buu arc. Now we'll look at Gohan at half health. I feel Gohan wasn't ready to actually kill. Indeed, I agree with this assessment. It's one thing to want to kill your opponent but another thing entirely to ACTUALLY be ready to kill. Press J to jump to the feed. Adjust for transformation from first form and assuming at BARE minimum First Form Frieza is as strong as Tagoma, we can assume this level of power is similar to Ultimate Gohan. Super Saiyan 3 Goku was 4 times that. Dabura fought eveny however he still tought he could win. So, Equal to Low End: x24 (x9,600) Using Dragonball GT Guide High End: x96 (x38,400), Regardless of which ones you use, you create a range for the potential of Gotenks. This. If you'd like to see more, I actually have a video detailing the entire process for determining how strong Super Saiyan God is, it's probably easier then me just typing it all out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c15778Vv0Bg. SS2 Gohan, while injured and fresh from Goku's death, had the power to completely destroy Cell while he was taken off guard. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. cell wins. That's very well thought out. I submit that Gohan simply had more power available to him, though they were almost completely even. Previously we saw a 2x power multiplier when Gohan raged and unlocked his temporary boost. So, determine all the possible answers for Gotenks power and you have your answer. Cell mid diffs. That being said, even a casual blast could do a lot if Gohan was arrogant enough to think he could just tank it or outspeed it. Super Perfect Cell. Once he realized even his new power was not enough, he'd IT to somewhere else on the planet and blow it up. He EFFORTLESSLY beat perfect cell, and while it might have been closer, I still think Gohan takes it pretty damn handily, which, IMO, is why Toriyama had to use that plot device to get rid of one of Gohans arms, another stomp would have been boring as fuck. Or does he loose after 7 years of peace? What evidence do you have that it should have been even easier? Gohan may have had the power to destroy him, but was he truly stronger? I think people get overhyped about the allusions to his weakening since the Cell games. I'm constantly trying to improve this list, looking for more accurate ways to determine the ranges. While Gohan most likely has the edge in power, this alone does not guarantee his victory. My big question has always been how much power did that unlock-able boost actually give him? I mainly use the xBase Form unit as it makes things easier to track, but determining power level from them is easy enough so I track those too. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c15778Vv0Bg. Dragon ball tends to hint at ability through aura alot and an aura's details can tell alot about a character or a form. Cell could easily IT somewhere else quickly and destroy the planet, killing Gohan. SSJ2 Gohan DID defeat Super Perfect Cell with his full power. Gohan seems to value his life less than his family and friends and as a result I don't feel like he would ever have the opportunity to unlock his rage and get the boost effect. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. In truth, while Gohan did indeed defeat Cell in the story, there were many factors at play. Who would win in this fight? I would cautiously suggest Cell's win here. It was only because of SPC's arrogance that he put himself into a position where he could be entirely destroyed. Similar to Frieza's laser beam, this puts doubt that this attack was in fact a casual blast. SSJ2 Kid Gohan: 120 Super Perfect Cell: 100 SSJ2 Pre-Majin Vegeta: 100 SSJ2 Teen Gohan: 78 SSJ Goku: 62.5 FP Perfect Cell: 50 SSJ Pre-Majin Vegeta: 50 Dabura: 45 SSJ Kid Gohan: 40 SSJ Teen Gohan: 39 Reason I put Gohan's final rage boost so high is because he managed to Kill SPC after Battle Damage reduced his Power by 50% and with only 1 hand. Then he blew himself up and returned, gaining a zenkai boost. I understand your point, but the way i see it - Gohan wasn't in his best position to defend Vegeta (thus more vulnerable). The only thing I wonder is if Gohan was actually at half power considering how much power Goku was able to coach out of him, but you make a solid point. SSJ2 Teen Gohan vs Super Perfect Cell Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. In any case, here are the current power levels and multipliers I have for each of Goku's current forms and possible ranges. If it was more than half his original power again and that's what it took to beat SPC - we can predict that full health Gohan may not have a chance against SPC without others around to push him into unlock-mode. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! ac_98521 He was losing to Cell, until Vegeta hit him while in a very vulnerable position. Though I think arrogance also played a role. The only Zenkai increase we have seen that would rival SPC's apparent Zenkai increase would be Goku's after the fight with Ginyu. Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks was 8 times stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. First is that Gohan couldn't unlock that bonus boost at will. Goku possibly not comparing Dabura to a specific power level of Cell. I DON'T OWN ANY OF THIS CONTENT. S+ refers to SS Goten + SS Trunks. Vegeta’s blast only distracted Cell enough for Gohan to gain his confidence and get some momentum going. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. Anything would certainly help. This is certainly possible. Though it was channeled attack, I think this is proof enough that even small attacks can be very powerful. Edit: On another note, I'd love to see your notes on PLs throughout the series up until this point. Ssj2 goku plus seven years of training(we all know how hard goku trains) would be a stomp. He was at 50% when he overpowered Cell. SSJ2 Gohan is fast but prone to standing around letting Cell act. Goku vs Cell had alot more going on and was honestly less one-sided atleast compared to SSJ2 Gohan vs Perfect Cell. Then when Raditz was about to finish off Goku and Piccolo was injured, similar scenario as to the last moments of SPC, Radditz read off rage-Gohan's power level as 1370 and climbing. With both arms, Gohan is way stronger than Cell. So while he was likely not using his full power at first, I think he was by the end given how stressed out the battle became. IMO Yes. 6:10 -1st Cut Scene 16:45 -2nd Cut Scene 24:41 -3rd Cut Scene 36:06 -4th Cut Scene He messed up with 2 points though. Didn't Vegeta explicitly say that Gohan was stronger as a boy? I enjoy the challenge though. I think Cell attained ssj2 when he came back due to his aura. As Tagoma was compared to Ultimate Gohan, we then must determine his strength via Buuiccolo, the strongest fighter Gohan was definitely stronger than. Then his friends got blown away, he was the last stand of protecting the Earth, and Goku was yelling at him that he NEEDED to get that power out. This boost is what pushed him to his new level, in this case Super Perfect Cell. Additionally, I believe SPC was incredibly confident (as always) and basking in his new found power. This suggest Super Perfect Cell certainly had the power to injure him. We know him going all out would not have endangered the planet since we've seen much higher power levels fighting on Earth but that's not really worth discussion here. The fact his arm got injured just made Gohan think he was down to half of his power due to his special confidence problems. + refers to Goten plus Trunks. The categories are mostly separated based on alternate calculations using the 5 ways to calculate Gotenks I mentioned above: Blank means equal to SS3, the bare minimum. There are no others around, so there is nothing for Cell to exploit to attain victory. The killing blow, so to speak, wasn't so much that it made finishing Cell child's play but was enough to tip the balance and obliterate him completely. As for Cell's composure and personality, I do agree that Cell most certainly wanted to break Gohan's spirit, as was his cruel nature. Ssj2 is an 100x boost so simple math would put cell above Gohan plus the zenkai he got from blowing himself up. Mystic Gohan was about 50% stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks. However, Gohan was injured and he was holding back, per Goku. It changes how strong Piccolo is measured. re: Which power gap was bigger, SSJ2 Gohan vs. In the anime this is explored further of course, but in the manga it's far too short to know for sure. He boasts his perfection even after noticing that others rival him. I have a feeling this is gonna turn into another Cell vs Dabura war, but that's not my intention. Lastly we have seen cell go all out in earlier fights and his composure when he goes all out is not the same as his rematch with Gohan. SSJ2 Gohan was way stronger than Perfect Cell and somewhat stronger than Super Perfect Cell which is basically Cell SSJ2. 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